shannan watts autopsy

He snapped and I was terrified of him. Cause if it was the way CW said she would have fought back. The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. Never mind! She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) Chris Watts advised that blankets and stuffed animals were left by the sheet which was near Shananns grave. Im wondering if he had bipolar. Or do you believe his lies, that she harmed the kids and then he did same to her? And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. A monster! Meacham [who knew Shanann from school] described Shanaan as OCD in the way the household operated. He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. It is most likely that the girls were dead by 6 PM Sunday night already, which was why Chris couldnt reschedule the murders as soon as he heard ShanAnns flight would be delayed, thereby cutting dangerously into his cleanup time. I go back & forth wondering if he planned on killing the kids, or if Bella saw & then he had too. 5. Your thoughts? Are you a parent? Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. Chris said he forgot the phone. Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. Lack of defensive injuries. I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. He just didnt want another baby. This story breaks my heart. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. Stranglehold Theory. Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. Back? He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. Addition. Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. I am 57, I weigh 132 lbs.. .,,, I had my husband straddle my chest and pin my arms down and Im telling you right now, I could not move. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. Watts was arrested on August 15, 2018. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. Of course we dont know what shes talking about. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? He has an incredible amount of knowledge and has a lot of experience being an investigative reporter and author of many blogs and books. https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. Like you, I believe the children were sedated, and possibly Shanann as well. I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. I bet there was no conversation. Hello everyone, As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Sociopaths/Covert narcissists wreak havoc and(emotional) destruction on those around them without exception. Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. Who and/or what are we dealing with here? Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. I did. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. Then he felt he had to kill CeCe too. Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. A person with OCD also wouldnt have that much stuff on the bathroom vanity. That is what this whole thing boils down to, Chris not wanting a divorce for the simple fact of having to pay child support on 3 kids. Its actually not uncommon. The Watts murders got to me also. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to smothering. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. One body was face down in the south side of the tank. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach I am shocked shes not been charged too. Even more common with pregnant women. Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Thoughts? In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. LEE: Depends on sometime we find saliva, large amount of saliva, nasal secretion, mixed with small amount of blood on the pillow. At the time of her death, Shanann had been 15 weeks pregnant (via MEAWW). dirty murderer! But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? Thanks! This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). While some muscles spontaneously contract after death and though all muscles eventually tighten into rigor mortis others are loosening their grip entirely. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? This guy had some sort of mental problem. He is a monster. I think he had mental issues too. If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. police fileA picture Shanann sent a friend. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. The detective said not really. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. Police saw a bed sheet. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. Want to keep up with the latest. Also, I read that the kids were very light sleepers. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! https://jcp.bmj.com/content/54/5/348, This is why Shanann had no defensive injuries, and this technique would account for everything in her autopsy, from blood alcohol/ethanol levels to an unbroken hyoid bone Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. He says with a halphazard yeah she was like for sure gone, she was blue, and no beats, no breaths, nothing. She was not drinking while pregnant! The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. Everything you say can & has been disputed. But legally it was in Chriss name. What is going on?? 19th Judicial District Attorney Michael Rourke said that Watts totally and deliberately ended four lives, smothering the girls. We know that she went to her office and attempted to order haircare products, and in the welfare check footage you can clearly see a large dark blanket on the sofa, and two small pink chair beds by the side of the sofa. You can see it in his eyes. He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? For nothing. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Thankyou. Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. His integrity shows through all the time. Watts claimed that he snapped and strangled his wife when he found her murdering the girls, but he later pleaded guilty to all three murders. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. Its good that youre trying to demonstrate this and see it through. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. You wrote a book blaming Shannan- seems to me youre just throwing your assumptions around. Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. Good to have a former forensic detective around. The second dog also had a housetraining mishap in the basement. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. I really think that the pregnancy started the whole thing. I consider it strange to have them there (in preschool) FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO.. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. Now i fully beleive NK was in on plan, her idea to put bodies in tanks to help disolve them. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. Smothering is albeit horrific, a more a gentle or approach that a mother may take. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. > Most do not, really? Late stage of pregnant. Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. I lived with one. Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. Theyd already pulled $10,000 out of Chris 401K to try and get caught up on their mortgage, but they were somehow burning through money like there was no tomorrow. (942948) Interview with NK about CW's failing marriagehe badmouthed SW a lot . What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. A tee-shirt and undies is a Sleeping Uniform for many women, another fact. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. The trauma dogs noted hot spots in the basement. I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. Even if they appear to be dead or as the agent in this case said decapitated you call & plead for someway to help fix them. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. Kick him? Chris said Shanann arrived home from a trip. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. So wheres the problem here? Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. ~KSmallz. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. He was an operator for Anadarko. Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. Then he asks to talk to his dad. Seemed to me like she kept everything clean that you could see. The children were accustomed to regularly taking medication; it would have been very simple for CW to simply give them a couple extra pills to swallow while they were relaxing watching TV after their dinner, and once they were sedated, wrap a plastic bag around their heads. False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. So completely terrible. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. 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