I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. But I am realistic. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. Is Diane really a threat anymore? Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. One of the important pieces of evidence was the absence of all but a trace of gunshot residue. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. You fail to mention what her daughter actually said about her communication with Diane, like Diane telling her that a very powerful person, a secret man, has been watching her, and that if she loved her son she would move away or else her son will grow up to be a murderer. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance? How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. Her 7 yr old daughter was already dead, her other 2 children were in critical condition. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. There are no facts? It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. And she should be allowed parole! Steve made some piss poor choices when he had visitation with the kids after the shooting; he permitted them to go off alone with Dianne, when she was not supposed to have had any contact at all with the children. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. Inside, outside, top to bottom. Despite all of this: that the attorney became a Foster Carer irrelevant, inflammatory, subjective and bears no reflection on the trial, or indeed the trial outcome. Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. The absence of the gun or gun powder residues on Diane is fact. The twosome first crossed paths in 2003 when Shahi. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? I base a lot on what I see and hear from her in her own words in footage of a 28 yr old woman. She should have had the lawyer of her choice and if they wanted to charge her with the crimes, they should have stuck with what evidence and circumstances they had. She never hurt anyone in the process of escaping. No OTHER reason. You can believe what you like. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. Hugi did not want that. And she would have been under supervision. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. 2) You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane. Do not forget that she got letters of support from a warden and psychiatrist. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. She did it. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. Years later, Christie was heard saying by classmates that she did not know who shot her. It is not a run of the mill case. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). #corrupt. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. I know several foster parents and social workers. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. It always feels like punishment at all costs. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. They should have left her alone. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. Weve become friends. I care about what was said at trial. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. Their marriage was described as tumultuous, with Downs allegedly disappearing for long periods of time with her children. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. Guilt or innocence no longer need to be debated in this case. As for Diane, give me a break. According to Rule and the court, the unicorn was a memorial to her children that she purchased after premeditating their murder. I enjoyed your take, and agree their are several reasons with this, and lets be honestevery other case ever prosecuted, to take pause and question but Diane continues to lie, make up brand new stories about people after her, and has made no moves to better herself in any way shape or form while shes been in prison, by her own admission. In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. Up. Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. Regina, I love your comment! answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. Halo Infinite. I am interested in the truth. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. The ballistics, gun, speed at which she drove the car, her demeanor, etc. (This is why Foote was assigned the case. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. , The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie, Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), The Diane Downs Case Was no Small Sacrifice. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. Carol Kirkwood shared an insight into her recent holiday to Norway with fianc Steve Randall on Wednesday as she shared their first social media post together.. Its too late for me to call myself a murderer (when I am not) just to purchase my freedom. There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. But they tended to ignore other important aspects. She was found guilty. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. I saw footage of Diane herself laughing during the re-enactment of the crime. Seriously. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. I would say so. Are you still taking comments by email? If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? They lied about the ballistics. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. Wednesday, March 1, 2023: Today on General Hospital, Obrecht is furious with both Liz and Scott, Finn offers to stand by Liz, and Sonny and Dex bond over a meal. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. Diane Downs was convicted because she didn't appear "sorry enough" during her TV appearances. I will talk to Dianes brother. Maher also didn't specify that two of three authors weren't even from Johns Hopkins University: Jonas Herby, MS, whom the working paper described as a special advisor at Center for Political . She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status. Same with her brother. They seem to say she was like that from the very beginning so in my opinion, it should represent a mitigating circumstance instead of a longer sentence. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? Master Chief actor Pablo Schreiber has said he won't do an impression on the Halo TV show, suggesting he won't try to . She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. Hysteria. Yes, Im sure this stranger wanted to kill her kids but only wound her, who, coincidentally, had a towel handy neatly folded on her wound. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. CMOH said 2 doses = minimal protection against infection . A number of them were clearly . Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? He didn't indicate whether Downs would appeal. During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. Tina, if you look at family pictures of the Downs, Christie is the eldest and this is her picture. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. Due process always matters. To the authorities, it was a ridiculous notion that they would not entertain so they did not follow on numerous leads coming from people who had seen someone corresponding to that description. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke. I would like to believe this is the truth. And if you claim your innocence, it obviously creates a vicious circle of not showing contrition. Q. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. It is also very is to clean. According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. Very little is definitively known in this area. Or be mentally ill. But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rules narrative with more objectivity. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. Pros. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. You didnt know that?? Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. Or maybe an upvote/downvote arrow for each. I have watched her parole hearing. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html // Prison-happy U.S. must reconsider use of mercy; Carol S. Steiker, professor at Harvard Law School, Sep. 10, 2008 , http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html // US Prison Population Soars to 2.3Mln People at Annual Cost of $7Bln The US prison population has soared to 2.3 million people costing the government more than $7 billion per year. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. We talked about Steve's love of Marvel films and we joked about the staff knowing we were on a blind date because the waitress had . I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. Our legal system is not perfect. No. If the media was anything at the time it was favorable towards her. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song, The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. Mr. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. Any thoughts on that? I feel sorry for Diane too. a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. The old toilet block which could be replaced by a cafe (Image: Adam Postans) A new caf planned for the Downs in Bristol would likely be blocked by a 160-year-old Victorian law . She. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. Not speculative? When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. Mind: Wrongful convicted. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. Her character was also too much on the forefront. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. The character of the accused is not the main ingredient, especially that in this case, there was a lot of bashing going on in the media and in court. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. I didn't get tipsy, I'm pretty good at handling alcohol. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. I followed the trial. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? And he grew up there. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. Halo 4. Without her daughters testimony and the lies about the gun, they could not have found her guilty in a fair trial. Simply because I researched them. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. To Lisa Griggs why didn't steve downs get custodylagu sekolah minggu bahasa inggris Opinion Fox News's blackout of Jan. 6 points to a hidden crisis for Democrats The not-so-shocking revelation that Fox News will not carry House committee hearings about the insurrection is yet another sign that right-wing media will go to extraordinary lengths to shield . They were treated very badly in this matter. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? I saw that same face in Diane Downs. How asinine. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. Johns Hopkins said lockdowns reduced deaths by 0.2%. Diane Downs is no exception. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? She was in solitary confinement for years and even escaped from prison once but was recaptured. I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. Wasnt it speculative on their part? CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? It was flawed. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? 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